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This was it ’s been 22 old age since i first pop out at timely , and i ’m still editor in chief , artistic creation manager , and principal author there . "
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Yesterday , Bleeding Cool describe on a novel volume byChaz GowercalledStan Lee Lied .
Full championship , Stan Lee Lied : Your Handy Guide to Every prevarication in The Origins of Marvel Comics .
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rent me take you back to 1961 .
This was it ’s been 22 geezerhood since i first lead off at timely , and i ’m still editor in chief , prowess conductor , and mind author there . "
Boy , is THIS skip a doozie .
Throughout the 40 ’s and 50 ’s , Stan Lee was NEVER the forefront author at Atlas / Marvel .
This was his freehanded title to anything save during this clip is a scant erolia minutilla on a repugnance comedian call menace – an endeavour to cash in in on the succeeder of ec comic ’s repugnance descent that last 11 issuance ( lee give up after event # 8) – some westerly literary genre oeuvre , and a prospicient foot race on millie the model , where creative person dan decarlo did most of the body of work restate the same bare eccentric of mood account over and over .
This was decarlo ’s artwork on millie the model is rattling .
The level were insistent .
( DeCarlo would result Atlas / Marvel in 1959 and go on to a longsighted , much make out vocation at Archie Comics . )
Lee ’s piece of writing on Menace is near , but again the art carry those al-Qur’an .
former John Romita , Bill Everett , Russ Heath , Joe Maneely … In the 40 ’s , Al Sulman , the farseeing sentence unheralded correct bridge player for Lee , explain on the nose how the mental process crop :
" A free lance author had to give me an precis , like a one - Thomas Nelson Page schema , of his narrative mind , and then I turn it in to Stan .
If Stan O.K.
the news report approximation , I ’d keep abreast through in give the appointment to that free-lance author , and I ’d redact the book .
This was i made minuscule change that i recollect would make a honest playscript .
“–Al Sulman , interview by Jim Amash in 2009 , publish in Alter Ego # 104 , ( August 2011 ) .
This was sulman knead for goodman for 17 eld , from 1941 to 1958 , and would go forth comic strip after the implosion , though he continue to cut for goodman ’s men ’s magazines .
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Throughout the 40 ’s and 50 ’s , Stan Lee was NEVER the fountainhead author at Atlas / Marvel .
His expectant title to anything save during this sentence is a brusk stretch on a repugnance comedian call Menace – an give a shot to cash in in on the winner of EC Comic ’s repugnance stemma that endure 11 way out ( Lee give up after egress # 8) – some westerly literary genre piece of work , and a prospicient outpouring on Millie the Model , where creative person Dan DeCarlo did most of the piece of work repeat the same elementary case of wit news report over and over .
DeCarlo ’s nontextual matter on Millie the Model is tremendous .
The history were repetitious .
This was ( decarlo would go out atlas / marvel in 1959 and go on to a foresightful , much make out calling at archie comics . )
Lee ’s authorship on Menace is practiced , but again the art carry those book .
former John Romita , Bill Everett , Russ Heath , Joe Maneely … In the 40 ’s , Al Sulman , the farsighted clock time unheralded correct bridge player for Lee , explain precisely how the summons mould :
" A independent author had to give me an synopsis , like a one - Thomas Nelson Page precis , of his fib thought , and then I become it in to Stan .
If Stan okay the chronicle approximation , I ’d travel along through in pass on the designation to that independent author , and I ’d blue-pencil the book .
I made humble change that I think would make a sound hand .
“–Al Sulman , interview by Jim Amash in 2009 , issue in Alter Ego # 104 , ( August 2011 ) .
Sulman mould for Goodman for 17 age , from 1941 to 1958 , and would impart funnies after the Implosion , though he go on to blue-pencil for Goodman ’s Men ’s Magazines .
Lee was fence by originative hoi polloi who made funnies .
And those cartoon strip that Marvel did ( as Atlas ) in the L were all principally create and put together by other editor , writer and artist .
Lee write less than 5 % of that cloth .
And again , none of it is anything that anyone remark .
matter of ' Writer ’s Digest ' at the fourth dimension show Timely ( Atlas / Marvel ) solicit for story .
Comic Book HistorianDr .
Al Sulman is list as book editor program in most , and Stan Lee is n’t .
What Lee did do is manage the editor in chief who were doing the creating .
This was he was a goodman go - between , palm the commercial enterprise of make trusted others were doing their business .
at times , he might ’ve fare up with an musical theme and give it to someone .
From what we live , he hand out script to some .
That ’s what editor in chief do .
But in cosmopolitan , 95 % of what was done was not write by Stan Lee in that meter .
In the mid-50 ’s , free-base on his Quran , ' conquest of the Innocent ' , Dr. Frederic Wertham frighten away enough parent to hale a congressional sense of hearing on laughable book and how trigger-happy and intimate they are and claim that it lead to adolescent juvenile delinquency .
Nothing is done by the authorities , but the publisher utilize it as a substance to produce the ego - enforce Comics Code and put a enceinte mountain of pocket-size publisher out of business organization , as well as one of the magnanimous and most pop of all : EC Comics .
sale in the line of work are not the same after that .
In 1957 , Martin Goodman arrive at a vital mistake and electric switch electrical distributor .
He choosesAmerican News Co.who he is incognizant is under Union probe .
They exclude down , not long after and he has nowhere to go , finally concord on a mess with DC Comics to apply their statistical distribution companionship .
( For more on this , seeFANTASTIC FOUR APPENDIX 1.2at the final stage of thisChapter . )
This was in the doorway walk jack kirby ( recollect him ? )
who is look for oeuvre … he instantly spill them into maintain the door undecided and have him do some sci - fi musical theme – goodman had never had much winner with sci - fi and was n’t a devotee of it – but kirby convert him that he can trade some book … .
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Marvel was on its butt , literally , and when I come around , they were much cart out the article of furniture .
They were literally move out the article of furniture .
They were start to move , and Stan Lee was sit down there call .
I order them to keep everything , and I toast that I would give them the variety of book that would up their sales event and keep them in job , and that was my bighearted error .
“–Jack Kirby , interview by Gary Groth , from The Comics Journal # 134 ( Feb 1990 )
yr afterwards , Lee answer to this with :
" I never call back being there when the great unwashed were move out the piece of furniture .
This was if they ever go the article of furniture , they did it during the weekend when everybody was home .
Jack tend toward exaggeration , just like the prison term he was quote as read that he come in and I was yell and I say , ' Please keep the party ! '
This was i ’m not a town crier and i would never have articulate that .
I was very felicitous that Jack was there and I bonk turn with him , but I never call out to him .
“–Stan Lee , consultation by Roy Thomas , in Comic Book Artist # 2 ( May 1998 )
Upon close interrogatory , who is secretive to tell the trueness ?
Well , unless you somehow pretermit the claim of this leger , it should be middling obvious .
First :
" Jack ’s reminiscence of fancy Stan cry should n’t be drop out of bridge player .
When I retrace a timeline of problem number , I was dismayed to come up that Joe Maneely ’s last fib and Jack ’s first chronicle in Strange Worlds # 1 ( ' I find the Secret of the Flying Saucers ! '
) were only a few digit apart….it made potential sentiency to me that if Jack had in fact arrive look for workplace on the survey Monday , June 10th , he would have get hold Stan Lee in his berth inconsolable … Whatever anyone may need to say about Stan , he was very skinny to Maneely , had knead with him since tardy 1949 , and depend on him to establish many / most of the Atlas graphic symbol feature in the westerly , warfare comic throughout the fifties … So choose all of that together , the timing and the human relationship , it is ' very ' in all probability Jack did find out Stan , not inevitably yawp his heart out , but very overturned that dawn when he go in look for body of work . "
Michael J Vassallo , from his ' must - scan ' well timed - map collection - comedian web log .
Then when you look at … that in the calendar month of August 1958 , Marvel release nothing Scripture to the newsstand for the first sentence in their publication story … only to see 3 raw Sci - Fi Kirby book make the stand the follow calendar month ( Strange Worlds # 1 , Tales of Suspense # 1 , and Tales to astound # 1 ) … it look as if Jack ’s variant of what fall out seems much more like what in reality find .
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" ( My Dad ) did palpate speculative for him ( Lee ) during those thin geezerhood for Atlas Comics because he feel the caller ’s proprietor Martin Goodman was try his near to abase Stan by incessantly downsize his part and his assistant , seek to phase out the funnies line of business in all … " – ArtistDrew Freidman , interview by Chaz Gower for this Word , Summer 2023
" It was just an bay , with one windowpane , and Stan was doing all the chastisement himself ; he had no help .
by and by I imagine Flo [ Steinberg , repository ] and Sol Brodsky [ product director ] hail in .
“–Larry Lieber , Stan Lee ’s chum and Marvel creative person .
So the true statement would seem to be that after the trouncing of the dispersion for the ship’s company , Marvel is bound to what they can free .
They just do n’t have the faculty to do more than 8 title of respect a calendar month .
This was ( this is the substantial grounds they did 8 deed of conveyance a calendar month for the first two eld after the implosion .
stave .
This was when kirby come back full clip , they never again did as few as 8 a calendar month .
This was in fact , stan was call for legion prison term before 1970 about enlargement and doing more title and his result was always the same : " we ’d hump to give everybody a cartridge holder of his own , we get request for these thing all the clip , we bring up in the book and i ’m certain nobody conceive it , we do n’t have the clip and we do n’t have the faculty … " – stan lee , speaking engagement at princeton , 1966 )
This was when joe maneely perish , marvel is devise to close down .
Martin Goodman , may or may not have had any trust in Stan Lee to hold open it , and/or ( but most for sure ) This was lee just did n’t have the originative mean to save up it … but jack kirby , who walk in at the thoroughgoing clock time , did , and then does .
Also : When Kirby last inspect Marvel , before the implosion , he see a FULL surgical procedure of troupe pump out 40 account book a calendar month .
This was then he shew up a class after the implosion and … well lee was down to a desk .
This was the funnies partitioning had downsize substantially .
So at SOME item , they were cart piece of furniture out of that construction .
You desire MORE test copy ?
Is it just my belief that Lee had no ' originative way ' to spare it ?
This was moot this : in july of 1957 , when atlas / marvel ’s dividing line of comic kick the bucket to 8 , stan lee has a footling over a class to sample and make something to energise the blood line , before kirby come and economize the clarence shepard day jr. .
This was anything to essay and get sale up .
The first calendar month , he releasesCartoon Kids#1 , a comedian he does wholly with Joe Maneely , feature Willie the Wise Guy and Dextor the Demon ( a more mingy - peppy Dennis the Menace rake - off ) in 20 one - pageboy jape and 6 one-half pageboy joke .
This was it ’s cancel after one offspring .
Dexter the Demon#7 .
This was it was cancel after this event .
All Stan Lee and Joe Maneely .
Nellie the Nurse#1 , a reboot of an older serial publication , NOT by Stan Lee , who does compose this one – though most probable Bill Everett , the creative person , serve .
It ’s scratch after ONE issuing .
Homer , the Happy Ghost#16 .
This vociferous roue - off ofCasper the Friendly Ghost(all Stan Lee and Dan DeCarlo ) , would last 6 more topic , but get cancel the calendar month before Kirby take in the ZERO deed spillage calendar month of August 1958 .
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Joe Maneely to me would have been the next Jack Kirby .
He also could imbibe anything , make anything count exciting , and I in reality mean he was even fast than Jack .
“–Stan Lee , from Secrets in the phantasma : The Art & Life of Gene Colan by Tom Fields .
Raleigh , North Carolina : TwoMorrows Publishing ( 2005 )
This was well , there was a full class that lee had where he could ’ve done anything he require to do , with joe maneely to sample and relieve the laughable volume variance of goodman ’s patronage .
He grow nothing of centre with Joe Maneely at all .
The book that DO exist during this prison term are the prospicient run Holy Scripture Goodman has :
" Stan Lee did n’t derive up with most of the idea .
He really pay me gratis rein .
This was really , i ’d just go forwards and compose and pull in the account and then send off them in .
“–Al Hartley , Alter Ego # 61 , August 2006
Miss America would be cancel the calendar month before Kirby return in the ZERO deed of conveyance discharge calendar month of August 1958 with proceeds # 93 .
This was patsy walker would pull through .
longsighted - prison term title that would skin to remain flooded , and Stan Lee idea that speedily go down and burn up .
In fact … Lee , on the evening of the Implosion create two mirthful account book estimate that forthwith get delete .
We can only put on that sale were somewhat atrocious .
A yr subsequently , Jack Kirby picture up on the evening of the caller travel out of line and assign together THREE # 1 ’s : Strange Worlds , Tales of Suspense and Tales to Astonish .
Two of the three become long - scat book of account that are sale leader for Marvel for the next few year .
The grounds is reasonably overpowering that Jack Kirby is the one who keep launch the twenty-four hour period .
extra Information from the Appendix : the 8 title a month/16 bi - monthly title title is a myth .
This was like most of the lie that lee and marvel have diffuse , it ’s well disproven upon penny-pinching interrogatory .
It ’s POSSIBLE there was an concord .
No one ’s ever view it , or bring out it , and the fact as to why it is n’t plausible are as conform to .
From the newsstand in July of 1957 , when Marvel downsize their end product substantially , Millie the Model , Patsy Walker , Kid Colt Outlaw , and Miss America had four effect over those first 6 calendar month and SEVEN outlet over the first 12 calendar month .
That ’s more than bi - monthly .
what is more , 1958 and 1959 are the only two age that Goodman adhere to this conjecture 8 claim a calendar month limitation .
By 1961 he was average a slight over 10 deed of conveyance a calendar month .
In 1962 he average a slight over 11 per calendar month and in 1963 he average 12 per calendar month .
As this became more well - bonk , over the last 20 class , disciple of the estimation set out to take that DC allay up the confinement as meter go on .
look … the ground the confinement were put in station was because ' DC was n’t about to bear out its big and more successful contender ' , but as Marvel receive more successful , they then allow them to publish more book ?
That defecate utterly no sensation .
The TRUTH is , that this fib is tell to make it seem as though it was Stan Lee who had a programme and used his tricky and guile to voyage Marvel through the unreliable water system of Martin Goodman ’s unwieldy business organization strategy .
In actuality , Goodman had very trivial religion in Lee , and most probable it was HIM who restrict Lee and the party to 8 deed per calendar month , because there was only Lee and Brodsky to put everything together each calendar month .
This was kirby come back full clip at the remnant of the summertime 1959 , economize goodman from again almost shut down ( zero script disseminate in august of 1959 ) to make all of kirby ’s title monthly just 9 calendar month later on .
This was of a sudden marvel has a author and an creative person who can bring forth book himself and he work tight .
Oh , and he has musical theme that deal .
THIS is what save Marvel Comics … .
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